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Chris Stephens, CPA's avatar

This is one of the more honest pieces I've read on the subject. Most people flinch at where you go here, and you don't. I agree with your central claim: goodness is not a default, and cultures that pretend otherwise tend to dismantle the structures that keep drift in check.

A few places where I'd push gently:

The piece treats choice as more binary than I think it is. Most human choices aren't between good and bad options. They're between constrained, often bad options within systems the person didn't design. I'd read Milgram and Zimbardo slightly differently from you. I think they demonstrate less about our default nature and more about how completely situational architecture can collapse the range of options a person perceives as available. That may be the more troubling finding.

The combat veteran example is interesting because many of those veterans come home changed in ways they didn't choose and can't fully undo. Those who manage to show up with kindness are often doing enormous, ongoing work to contain what the experience did to them. I don’t see that as clean agency over environment, but the cost of trying through pain.

I'd also push on the implied neutrality of the systems you're citing as evidence. Locks, courts, contracts — those are all necessary, but they weren't designed from outside human nature; they were designed by humans with interests, and they often encode existing power asymmetries as much as they restrain drift. A court system built by a dominant class is itself a human-drift artifact, not simply a correction for one.

On perception, I'd go further than you do. Reality itself isn't fully static or shared. We're each constructing experience through our existing models, which means realities don't always fully overlap between people. That doesn't undermine your point about drift. If anything, it makes the deliberate work of orientation harder and more necessary.

Where I land differently is in the approach, not the conclusion. I don't think people are basically good either. But I tend to meet each individual person as if they could be, until demonstrated otherwise. There's research suggesting that expectations shape behavior, which means that stance isn't just idealism; it might be one of the few structural nudges available to an individual.

The sentence I keep returning to is this one: "The moment people stop seeing others as human beings and begin seeing them only as categories, abstractions, enemies, or moral contaminants, cruelty becomes dramatically easier to rationalize." That's the center of the whole piece for me. Everything else is scaffolding for that.

Great article. Genuinely.

Sam Alaimo's avatar

This line sums it up beautifully: "The most dangerous people are the ones who believe themselves incapable of becoming evil."

If there were ever a barometer of a civilizations health, it would be what percentage of its ruling class embodies this trait. I think that is proof we are in a phase in which anything can happen.

Great post.

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